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		<title>Comment on How To: Disrupt The Gym Business (Using Technology &amp; Community) by Derek Flanzraich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Flanzraich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 05:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Kevin-- appreciate the thoughts &amp; awesome feedback. Think you&#039;re right about the more holistic take on fitness, at least in terms of people being more likely to spend more $ on it. In terms of actual difference, sometimes I think the simplest stuff ends up working-- and obviously it has to be accessible/priced for the average consumer. Lululemon comes closest, I think, to what you described-- and they&#039;re clearly targeting a niche demographic of people that can afford that lifestyle. That can be super effective for those people-- but they would have likely been okay anyway, you know? Great biz model. Still important. But minimal ultimate impact. 

You&#039;re totally right that gyms aren&#039;t fully the answer, though-- and while the 10% number of Americans using the gym might be a little off (it&#039;s probably 15-20% belong to some sort of gym member, regular boutique class attendee, CrossFitter, etc...), it&#039;s nonetheless small. I definitely think the innovation we need now happens outside of the gym-- or, as you put so awesomely, a profound transformation of what a &quot;gym&quot; means. Thanks Kevin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kevin&#8211; appreciate the thoughts &amp; awesome feedback. Think you&#8217;re right about the more holistic take on fitness, at least in terms of people being more likely to spend more $ on it. In terms of actual difference, sometimes I think the simplest stuff ends up working&#8211; and obviously it has to be accessible/priced for the average consumer. Lululemon comes closest, I think, to what you described&#8211; and they&#8217;re clearly targeting a niche demographic of people that can afford that lifestyle. That can be super effective for those people&#8211; but they would have likely been okay anyway, you know? Great biz model. Still important. But minimal ultimate impact. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re totally right that gyms aren&#8217;t fully the answer, though&#8211; and while the 10% number of Americans using the gym might be a little off (it&#8217;s probably 15-20% belong to some sort of gym member, regular boutique class attendee, CrossFitter, etc&#8230;), it&#8217;s nonetheless small. I definitely think the innovation we need now happens outside of the gym&#8211; or, as you put so awesomely, a profound transformation of what a &#8220;gym&#8221; means. Thanks Kevin!</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To: Disrupt The Gym Business (Using Technology &amp; Community) by KevinAsuncion</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek,

Just stumbled upon this great post. I run a mobile personal training company out in LA, and a lot (if not all) the things you posted up here are things I&#039;ve been thinking about.  Only about 20% of americans have gym memberships and considering even a smaller percentage of people use it on a regular basis you are talking about maybe 10% of americans using the gym, that&#039;s pretty small, but also lots of room for companies to provide an experience for the other 80-90% that&#039;s desirable.  

I think people are also looking for a more holistic take on fitness, it&#039;s not just eating well and moving more, but having deeper social relationships, developing a sense of grit, and being able to cope with stresses of modern life.  I think companies who can integrate a strong wellness philosophy and system that gets results, offer affordable wellness coaching &amp; learning opportunities, use technology that makes the customer experience better, cultivate member to member interactions, offer amazing unique experiences, and harness the community for good will be the future of this industry.  I think the business model will still be per member per month/annual (but I can see other ones like the Zipcar example potentially working) but I think it&#039;ll be a lot more integrated and elegant offering that makes members better off in human terms, where they don&#039;t mind paying a premium (but still affordable) to work out and be part of the community.  The gym is a funny thing, and in fact sometimes I&#039;m not so sure the gym is what we need to be healthy and fit, but maybe some combination of education, safe spaces to practice and meet others (public and private), and desirable experiences that move fitness out of the vanity realm and into the vitality one. But maybe gyms are the right solution if so my hope is that the gyms of the future will transform into hubs, a warm campfire where members learn, experiment, share, connect and improve their overall well-being in personal ways.  

Would love to hear more of your ideas Derek, and thanks again for this cool post. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek,</p>
<p>Just stumbled upon this great post. I run a mobile personal training company out in LA, and a lot (if not all) the things you posted up here are things I&#8217;ve been thinking about.  Only about 20% of americans have gym memberships and considering even a smaller percentage of people use it on a regular basis you are talking about maybe 10% of americans using the gym, that&#8217;s pretty small, but also lots of room for companies to provide an experience for the other 80-90% that&#8217;s desirable.  </p>
<p>I think people are also looking for a more holistic take on fitness, it&#8217;s not just eating well and moving more, but having deeper social relationships, developing a sense of grit, and being able to cope with stresses of modern life.  I think companies who can integrate a strong wellness philosophy and system that gets results, offer affordable wellness coaching &amp; learning opportunities, use technology that makes the customer experience better, cultivate member to member interactions, offer amazing unique experiences, and harness the community for good will be the future of this industry.  I think the business model will still be per member per month/annual (but I can see other ones like the Zipcar example potentially working) but I think it&#8217;ll be a lot more integrated and elegant offering that makes members better off in human terms, where they don&#8217;t mind paying a premium (but still affordable) to work out and be part of the community.  The gym is a funny thing, and in fact sometimes I&#8217;m not so sure the gym is what we need to be healthy and fit, but maybe some combination of education, safe spaces to practice and meet others (public and private), and desirable experiences that move fitness out of the vanity realm and into the vitality one. But maybe gyms are the right solution if so my hope is that the gyms of the future will transform into hubs, a warm campfire where members learn, experiment, share, connect and improve their overall well-being in personal ways.  </p>
<p>Would love to hear more of your ideas Derek, and thanks again for this cool post. </p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 05:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Unexpected Leadership Lessons from Walt Disney by Derek Flanzraich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Flanzraich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So officially it&#039;s because Diane Disney Miller (Walt&#039;s daughter) lives now in Napa &amp; thought San Francisco would, for some reason, be the right place for this. It&#039;s certainly a beautiful location, but my guess there&#039;s more to it than just that (Diane has in the past been a pretty vocal critic of many Disney company-managed/endorsed efforts at capturing Walt Disney... and may just have wanted to do it herself, far away from the media co.) That&#039;s my take, at least!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So officially it&#8217;s because Diane Disney Miller (Walt&#8217;s daughter) lives now in Napa &amp; thought San Francisco would, for some reason, be the right place for this. It&#8217;s certainly a beautiful location, but my guess there&#8217;s more to it than just that (Diane has in the past been a pretty vocal critic of many Disney company-managed/endorsed efforts at capturing Walt Disney&#8230; and may just have wanted to do it herself, far away from the media co.) That&#8217;s my take, at least!</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 02:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why *is* the Disney museum in San Francisco?  The linked article didn&#039;t explain.</description>
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		<title>Comment on How To: Disrupt The Gym Business (Using Technology &amp; Community) by Derek Flanzraich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Flanzraich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 05:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roddy-- appreciate this.

And totally-- different gyms for different people, maybe, but I think the key is making everyone feel comfortable. And I agree super strongly that that power rests most often in the trainers hired. Friendly, relatable, respectful trainers are really rare, honestly-- and uber-luxury chains often get the pick of the most certified &amp; professional trainer simply because they can pay the most and treat them best. That usually leaves mediocre trainers for cheaper gyms, which is where the first gym goers typically go. This sucks.

Fixing this by celebrating the community &amp; focusing on loyalty sounds great, but is extraordinarily hard to scale. Going to think about this more, though, for sure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roddy&#8211; appreciate this.</p>
<p>And totally&#8211; different gyms for different people, maybe, but I think the key is making everyone feel comfortable. And I agree super strongly that that power rests most often in the trainers hired. Friendly, relatable, respectful trainers are really rare, honestly&#8211; and uber-luxury chains often get the pick of the most certified &amp; professional trainer simply because they can pay the most and treat them best. That usually leaves mediocre trainers for cheaper gyms, which is where the first gym goers typically go. This sucks.</p>
<p>Fixing this by celebrating the community &amp; focusing on loyalty sounds great, but is extraordinarily hard to scale. Going to think about this more, though, for sure!</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To: Disrupt The Gym Business (Using Technology &amp; Community) by Derek Flanzraich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Flanzraich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bethania-- thanks for the feedback (and awesome to hear from you in general)! We actually share group memberships to the New York Health &amp; Racquet Clubs here, but have heard pretty shoddy things about New York Sports Clubs... it&#039;s likely though they&#039;re a different chain (or at least have different management). Every city is different, though, and from my experience LA has what&#039;s probably the most competitive gym scene (and a TON of entrenched luxury gyms, like Equinox &amp; LA Fitness)-- and the key is that most are expensive. Equinoxes &amp; any gym above $100/month (plus a crazy initiation fee) can afford all those amenities-- and prey on people who, for the most part, don&#039;t worry about an added $1500+ cost per year. The key challenge, to me at least, is to give something that&#039;s consumer-facing &amp; awesome, but at manageable prices. Think the Crunch chain here in NYC comes closest, but still is faaar off. Anyway-- that&#039;s my take. Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bethania&#8211; thanks for the feedback (and awesome to hear from you in general)! We actually share group memberships to the New York Health &amp; Racquet Clubs here, but have heard pretty shoddy things about New York Sports Clubs&#8230; it&#8217;s likely though they&#8217;re a different chain (or at least have different management). Every city is different, though, and from my experience LA has what&#8217;s probably the most competitive gym scene (and a TON of entrenched luxury gyms, like Equinox &amp; LA Fitness)&#8211; and the key is that most are expensive. Equinoxes &amp; any gym above $100/month (plus a crazy initiation fee) can afford all those amenities&#8211; and prey on people who, for the most part, don&#8217;t worry about an added $1500+ cost per year. The key challenge, to me at least, is to give something that&#8217;s consumer-facing &amp; awesome, but at manageable prices. Think the Crunch chain here in NYC comes closest, but still is faaar off. Anyway&#8211; that&#8217;s my take. Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To: Disrupt The Gym Business (Using Technology &amp; Community) by Bethania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bethania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Derek, nice post. How&#039;s Sports Club/LA (SCLA) in New York? Here in boston apart from its kind of pretentious name, whenever I talk to people about sports club, there is definite &quot;I love that place&quot; sentiment. Cons: pricey, and sometimes a scene to see and be seen. But it has the happy, and lots of time after workout you feel like you left a spa, between the eucalyptus steam room, towels, showers, tons of good group exercise classes, nice people, friendly membership  office, good food (yummy smoothies!) etc. etc. It makes you WANT to go the gym. When a friend from LA found out there was a boston sports club, she immediately gushed and after a 10minute conversation recalling happy awesome sports club thoughts (about a gym!), plans were made to go. Like an event. A daily event.

That said, many of these people gushing or in love have their memberships on hold for various reasons--so they are paying monthly for the &#039;privilege&#039; of being able to restart a membership at any time (without paying an initiation fee). ..... Maybe that&#039;s the business model?
-Bethania</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Derek, nice post. How&#8217;s Sports Club/LA (SCLA) in New York? Here in boston apart from its kind of pretentious name, whenever I talk to people about sports club, there is definite &#8220;I love that place&#8221; sentiment. Cons: pricey, and sometimes a scene to see and be seen. But it has the happy, and lots of time after workout you feel like you left a spa, between the eucalyptus steam room, towels, showers, tons of good group exercise classes, nice people, friendly membership  office, good food (yummy smoothies!) etc. etc. It makes you WANT to go the gym. When a friend from LA found out there was a boston sports club, she immediately gushed and after a 10minute conversation recalling happy awesome sports club thoughts (about a gym!), plans were made to go. Like an event. A daily event.</p>
<p>That said, many of these people gushing or in love have their memberships on hold for various reasons&#8211;so they are paying monthly for the &#8216;privilege&#8217; of being able to restart a membership at any time (without paying an initiation fee). &#8230;.. Maybe that&#8217;s the business model?<br />
-Bethania</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To: Disrupt The Gym Business (Using Technology &amp; Community) by Rodzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 01:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a lot of ideas on this as well, but I think one aspect that can be extended to a lot of what you mentioned is building the right type of community.


Aside from a few niche facilities (curves) I think most gyms are primarily for the already &quot;fit-familiar&quot; crowd. A lot of these establishments are just as much for getting in shape as they are for showing it off. That is incredibly, incredibly daunting for someone who is just starting out, and as such these places are missing out on an entire market.

I know many gyms count on the New Year resolution crowd to sign up and never come back (perhaps scared away from what I&#039;ve mentioned above) but I would argue that with the right type of environment - the repeat and loyal members will be of more benefit. 

One of the ways to do this is, like you said, hiring the right people. Only accepting specific certifications is one way to weed out the idiots, but even more important is gauging their personality.

I don&#039;t care if someone has a PhD in exercise phys, and is working on their dissertation in dietetics. If they can&#039;t convey the information in a way that makes a healthy lifestyle approachable, those credentials mean nothing. 

That&#039;s just for starters, and all would need to be discussed with more depth. I haven&#039;t even touched directly on monetization, but establishing brand (gym) loyalty is certainly an important step. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a lot of ideas on this as well, but I think one aspect that can be extended to a lot of what you mentioned is building the right type of community.</p>
<p>Aside from a few niche facilities (curves) I think most gyms are primarily for the already &#8220;fit-familiar&#8221; crowd. A lot of these establishments are just as much for getting in shape as they are for showing it off. That is incredibly, incredibly daunting for someone who is just starting out, and as such these places are missing out on an entire market.</p>
<p>I know many gyms count on the New Year resolution crowd to sign up and never come back (perhaps scared away from what I&#8217;ve mentioned above) but I would argue that with the right type of environment &#8211; the repeat and loyal members will be of more benefit. </p>
<p>One of the ways to do this is, like you said, hiring the right people. Only accepting specific certifications is one way to weed out the idiots, but even more important is gauging their personality.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if someone has a PhD in exercise phys, and is working on their dissertation in dietetics. If they can&#8217;t convey the information in a way that makes a healthy lifestyle approachable, those credentials mean nothing. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s just for starters, and all would need to be discussed with more depth. I haven&#8217;t even touched directly on monetization, but establishing brand (gym) loyalty is certainly an important step. </p>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Flanzraich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Roddy! Was definitely a fan of Disney films growing up, but not especially so. Admired the media company &amp; wanted to learn more, then developed a profound appreciation for its awesome founder!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Roddy! Was definitely a fan of Disney films growing up, but not especially so. Admired the media company &amp; wanted to learn more, then developed a profound appreciation for its awesome founder!</p>
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